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	<title>Comments on: 09/14/07: One More Day, DC Soap Opera, and 90’s Comics</title>
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		<title>By: Shurron Farmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shurron Farmer</dc:creator>
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		<description>Now I think I can address the topics of 90&#039;s comics. In my opinion, we have learned the following from the 90&#039;s:

1. The true meaning of the word &#039;overkill&#039;. In the 90s, any idea a creator had was milked for more than the idea&#039;s worth. Here are some examples:
A. The X-Men had become one of Marvel&#039;s best selling titles by the early 90s; by 1995 there were 5 regular X-books (Uncanny X-Men, X-Men, X-Factor, X-Force, Wolverine) that crossed over annually and numerous X-related mini-series and specials. I left most of these titles on the shelf because the main books were enough to handle. The X-franchise fell apart with Onslaught and I don&#039;t think it has recovered. I hope Messiah Complex will change that.
B. Marvel and DC tried to capitalize on the X-Men&#039;s success by simply copying it instead of understanding it. DC hires an editor who thinks what works for X-Men will work for the New Titans (i.e. creating a family of books with New Titans, Deathstroke the Terminator, and Team Titans). Marvel and DC duke it out over who has the most books: Superman, Batman, or Spider-Man.
C. Marvel&#039;s most popular characters (Spider-Man, Wolverine, and the Punisher) pop up all over the Marvel Universe for no reason except to increase sales.
D. Marvel flooded comics with gimmick covers

2. Changing a character&#039;s costume or changing who&#039;s in the costume should have a purpose other than, &quot;sales are down, so ruffling feathers will increase them.&quot; The Death/Return of Superman were great stories, but in reflecting on last decade, almost every major character was replaced (e.g. Batman, Spider-Man, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern) or their costume/names was changed (e.g. Legion of Super-Heroes, X-Men, New Warriors, Daredevil) for no good reason.

3. It takes more than one creator to make a good comic book. Wizard Magazine and some of the Image Comics founders helped create an atmoshpere where people debate whether the writer or the artist is more important to a comic book. As a result, all creators got better at their craft, and I think all creators realized even more that a good story plus good art equals a good comic book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now I think I can address the topics of 90&#8217;s comics. In my opinion, we have learned the following from the 90&#8217;s:</p>
<p>1. The true meaning of the word &#8216;overkill&#8217;. In the 90s, any idea a creator had was milked for more than the idea&#8217;s worth. Here are some examples:<br />
A. The X-Men had become one of Marvel&#8217;s best selling titles by the early 90s; by 1995 there were 5 regular X-books (Uncanny X-Men, X-Men, X-Factor, X-Force, Wolverine) that crossed over annually and numerous X-related mini-series and specials. I left most of these titles on the shelf because the main books were enough to handle. The X-franchise fell apart with Onslaught and I don&#8217;t think it has recovered. I hope Messiah Complex will change that.<br />
B. Marvel and DC tried to capitalize on the X-Men&#8217;s success by simply copying it instead of understanding it. DC hires an editor who thinks what works for X-Men will work for the New Titans (i.e. creating a family of books with New Titans, Deathstroke the Terminator, and Team Titans). Marvel and DC duke it out over who has the most books: Superman, Batman, or Spider-Man.<br />
C. Marvel&#8217;s most popular characters (Spider-Man, Wolverine, and the Punisher) pop up all over the Marvel Universe for no reason except to increase sales.<br />
D. Marvel flooded comics with gimmick covers</p>
<p>2. Changing a character&#8217;s costume or changing who&#8217;s in the costume should have a purpose other than, &#8220;sales are down, so ruffling feathers will increase them.&#8221; The Death/Return of Superman were great stories, but in reflecting on last decade, almost every major character was replaced (e.g. Batman, Spider-Man, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern) or their costume/names was changed (e.g. Legion of Super-Heroes, X-Men, New Warriors, Daredevil) for no good reason.</p>
<p>3. It takes more than one creator to make a good comic book. Wizard Magazine and some of the Image Comics founders helped create an atmoshpere where people debate whether the writer or the artist is more important to a comic book. As a result, all creators got better at their craft, and I think all creators realized even more that a good story plus good art equals a good comic book.</p>
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		<title>By: Shurron Farmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shurron Farmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 04:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not a great Spider-Man reader; after seeing the first Spider-Man film, I began reading Ultimate Spider-Man. Now, I question if I will continue reading the book (but then I&#039;m questioning all of the Ultimate Titles right now). Nevertheless, I hope Marvel can make the Mainstream Spider-Man good again. I don&#039;t think his marriage to Mary Jane hurts his character. After all, does Superman&#039;s marriage to Lois Lane hurt his character? I like Spider-Man being an Avenger even if I don&#039;t like Brian Bendis writing the Avengers. In listening to the podcast, several guys mentioned how they first liked Peter because they could identify with them and that now he&#039;s not as identifiable as he was when they were younger. I agree with the guys, but I&#039;d add that it doesn&#039;t matter to me how I can identify with the characters as long I like to stories ABOUT the characters. I don&#039;t it has hurt Spider-Man to become older, get married, etc. but I think what has hurt Spider-Man in the last 5-10 years is a lack of GOOD STORIES. His mainstream books have been struggling to pump out consistently good stories since the 90s clone saga. There have been a few good stories in this time: the 9/11 issue, the Civil War tie-ins. But I&#039;m hard pressed to say that there have been a solid 20 consecutive issues of good Spider-Man stories.

On the issue of DC comics and soap opera, let me start by saying I&#039;ve watched soap operas since the 80s. I watched the 90s daytime soap Generations (feat. Vivica Fox and Kritoff St. John) from beginning to end; the 80s nighttime soaps (Dallas, Dynasty, Falcon Crest, Knots Landing, Hotel), and the current nighttime soaps (Desperate Housewives, Grey&#039;s Anatomy, Brothers and Sisters). I often thought soap operas are characterized by notions such as:
1. A rich person struggling to maintain a professional empire while trying to control their immediate family, especially children and/or grandchildren;
2. the members of the matriarch/patriarch family struggling to gain power and/or love and admiration of the family clan head.
3. marriages, divorces, pregnancies, mistaken identity, or identity revelation being a mainstay of plots over years of continuity.
Comics have similar characterizations, but I draw the line of teenage superheroes having sex, nudity and profanity in comics becoming almost commonplace, and soap opera drama replacing superhero action. I think DC is now struggling to differentiate between characterization, drama, and soap opera-style storytelling. Perhaps it should look back at its stories told from 30s-80s to really see this difference and how it should just loosen up in terms of continuity, soaps, and such.

I&#039;m cutting my comments short here and I&#039;ll come back with my opinions about the 90s &#039;cause I&#039;ve got to make sure I keep make them shorter than this response (LOL).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a great Spider-Man reader; after seeing the first Spider-Man film, I began reading Ultimate Spider-Man. Now, I question if I will continue reading the book (but then I&#8217;m questioning all of the Ultimate Titles right now). Nevertheless, I hope Marvel can make the Mainstream Spider-Man good again. I don&#8217;t think his marriage to Mary Jane hurts his character. After all, does Superman&#8217;s marriage to Lois Lane hurt his character? I like Spider-Man being an Avenger even if I don&#8217;t like Brian Bendis writing the Avengers. In listening to the podcast, several guys mentioned how they first liked Peter because they could identify with them and that now he&#8217;s not as identifiable as he was when they were younger. I agree with the guys, but I&#8217;d add that it doesn&#8217;t matter to me how I can identify with the characters as long I like to stories ABOUT the characters. I don&#8217;t it has hurt Spider-Man to become older, get married, etc. but I think what has hurt Spider-Man in the last 5-10 years is a lack of GOOD STORIES. His mainstream books have been struggling to pump out consistently good stories since the 90s clone saga. There have been a few good stories in this time: the 9/11 issue, the Civil War tie-ins. But I&#8217;m hard pressed to say that there have been a solid 20 consecutive issues of good Spider-Man stories.</p>
<p>On the issue of DC comics and soap opera, let me start by saying I&#8217;ve watched soap operas since the 80s. I watched the 90s daytime soap Generations (feat. Vivica Fox and Kritoff St. John) from beginning to end; the 80s nighttime soaps (Dallas, Dynasty, Falcon Crest, Knots Landing, Hotel), and the current nighttime soaps (Desperate Housewives, Grey&#8217;s Anatomy, Brothers and Sisters). I often thought soap operas are characterized by notions such as:<br />
1. A rich person struggling to maintain a professional empire while trying to control their immediate family, especially children and/or grandchildren;<br />
2. the members of the matriarch/patriarch family struggling to gain power and/or love and admiration of the family clan head.<br />
3. marriages, divorces, pregnancies, mistaken identity, or identity revelation being a mainstay of plots over years of continuity.<br />
Comics have similar characterizations, but I draw the line of teenage superheroes having sex, nudity and profanity in comics becoming almost commonplace, and soap opera drama replacing superhero action. I think DC is now struggling to differentiate between characterization, drama, and soap opera-style storytelling. Perhaps it should look back at its stories told from 30s-80s to really see this difference and how it should just loosen up in terms of continuity, soaps, and such.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m cutting my comments short here and I&#8217;ll come back with my opinions about the 90s &#8217;cause I&#8217;ve got to make sure I keep make them shorter than this response (LOL).</p>
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